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#1 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:08:09 AM(UTC)
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This theory is linked to Other Human Empires Among the Stars? thus, in order to understand this you must read that.

As I have shown in the other thread Only Humans from Erda were given Gea composed of Ancient Man. That is the Reason they were not permitted to any installation for fear of the Gea taking revenge. This is a critical element.

In Primordium Chakas was able to control a halo without any type of genetic modifications. In fact, there were several pairs of Human-Forerunners all interacting together with the Halos Controls. While doing so Chakas feels a rush of knowledge and here he comments

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Was there some sense of satisfaction at this melding of so many Forerunners and humans? Some triumphal revisiting of an ancient plan, long ago frustrated, then abandoned, but now possible once more?


It has been constantly brought up and hinted at in the novels that the forerunners and humans share a genetic linkage and through that link the Humans are allowed to use forerunner technology if not to a greater degree to other races.

Lets rewind to contact harvest pages 274-276 where the prophets are questioning Medicant Bias about the Harvest glyphs.

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FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED
LISTENED TO YOU MISINTERPRET

THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION
THIS IS RECLAIMER

AND THOSE WHO REPRESENT IT ARE MY MAKERS
I WILL REJECT MY BIAS AND WILL MAKE AMENDS

MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS
I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK



The Humans from Harvest are the same stock from earth thus they still have Gea deep within them though ever present. Medicant bias knows full well who his creators are as is evident in the terminals, so why say humans made him? As evident in primordium Forerunners can plant their own Gea into humans due to our relation. Thus their is a mix in Gea populations of Ancient Man and Forerunners. This might also be why Some machines call people Forerunners/reclaimer/Humans; Depending on if they have a Gea and if so what kind.



This is all simple. The Humans from Erda are Reclaimers because they have the Gea of ancient man whose is meant to reclaim what was wrongfully taken from them by the forerunners. This is why the forerunners left this arm of the galaxy so their wouldn't be any further conflicts

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Halo Encyclopedia Page 28.

"100,000 BCE

The Forerunners activate the Halo Array. All sentient life in the Milky Way Galaxy is exterminated except the sampling protected on the Shield World and the Ark. Once the Flood threat is ended, the sample species are reseeded across the Galaxy, including Humans on Earth, and they begin to repopulate their homeworlds. The Forerunners leave the Orion Arm of the Galaxy"


I love how their is "Including the humans on Earth" it seems like they are pointing that out specifically. Though that is for my other thread not this one.



The other Reclaimer ideas about technology being re-purposed and all that other jazz never added up anyway and i have been stressing that on bungie since cryptum. You cannot Reclaim something that was never yours not to mention it would be impossible to reprogram every single little piece of technology. So as i have said it is just a clear and simple answer, hopefully you enjoy this.
#2 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:35:45 AM(UTC)
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I think the concept is both likely and cannon-evolving. I know we got into it about the tech stuff, but regardless of that aspect the concept is both solid and intriguing. Not that you could do so but if this is close to the accurate expectation of the next novels/games I hope there is a bit more to it. This could really twist things up a lot and I would hope it would do so, as opposed to just being an "oh yeah this is it" moment somewhere along the line.

Good research!
#3 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:43:07 AM(UTC)
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Shadow Chief 3;571307 wrote:
I think the concept is both likely and cannon-evolving. I know we got into it about the tech stuff, but regardless of that aspect the concept is both solid and intriguing. Not that you could do so but if this is close to the accurate expectation of the next novels/games I hope there is a bit more to it. This could really twist things up a lot and I would hope it would do so, as opposed to just being an "oh yeah this is it" moment somewhere along the line.

Good research!



Thanks It took about a week of getting things together and having people check it.
#4 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 12:06:59 PM(UTC)
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Couple of quibbles:
-geas is singular, and gei is plural (reference the Bear novels and the CEA Terminals)
-Reclaimer is a title given to Erde Tyrene/Earth native Humans by the Forerunners - or at least their AI's (Mendicant Bias and Guilty Spark refer to Chief and other Earth-native humans in this manner). It's a tenuous conclusion then that the Forerunner AI's refer to these Humans as Reclaimers in what can be perceived through the games and books to be a highly positive manner, if Reclaimer means what you say it means. The title as you propose it foreshadows an overturning. In other words, if I read you right, you believe the Forerunners define Reclaimers as "The Humans that will take back what we stole from them".
-I think the theory that Earth is not the unique home world of humanity is also tenuous (after reading and re-reading your post). It seems to hinge on two theories:
1. The notion that Forerunners would have stumbled onto them sooner if that were the case. A mere 60 lightyears of separation, while the Forerunners had already explored other human-populated worlds. While I don't have a good answer for why they didn't, believing it's a clear sign that humans couldn't have originated there places a bit too much faith in the foresight and consistency of the cannon than I'm willing to hazard. This could just as easily be an oversight.
2. That species were returned to their respective home worlds. But this more naturally read as "San'shyuum to their own planet, Humans to their own planet" and so on. There's no reason to favor the interpretation that there were multiple human home worlds unless you're reading it in.

However, this is simpler to refute - I feel certain that both Forerunners and Precursors refer to Erde Tyrene as the human home world, in the context of their exile/punishment post-war (Forerunners) and in the creation of humanity as a candidate for inheriting the Mantle (Precursors). Those would be explicit mentions of humanity being based on Erde, in-cannon, from two perspectives. We are, at least, the "main" humans and not the "others". However, I see no reason to either preclude or demand that humanity was placed on planets other than Earth after the rings fired, or at our genesis.
#5 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 12:16:04 PM(UTC)
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Alright i'll fix that in a bit.

That isn't my main reasoning as a had a thread speaking about how humans and forerunners both had events within their system 50,000 years ago. The humans aren't sure where their homeworld is and "To the best of forerunner knowledge" it is Erda. That was more of a food for thought suggestion than something definitive. I brought up the light year reference because that is far too close to the forerunner who would have found the early humans and enslaved them sooner if Erda is the place of origin.

I have long and elaborated works on that subject that i just didn't include because they aren't entirely relevant. and i don't want people getting stuck on that then the actual topic. If that ends up happening i'll probably delete those sections.


The humans were clearly resettled on other worlds since they were brought from other worlds with Erda being the last. Seeing how humans are composed of several races you would be destroying cultures if you only focused on one race (which was brought up in primordium).

And it was said in Cryptum that the system the San Shyuum Live in is not their native system, they were relocated their.
#6 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 5:53:39 AM(UTC)
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Deva Path;571677 wrote:
The humans aren't sure where their homeworld is and "To the best of forerunner knowledge" it is Erda. That was more of a food for thought suggestion than something definitive.


I'm not sure where you got that notion; I'm failing to recall anything that expresses doubt in it being Erde Tyrene aside from Forthencho (which, admittedly, is curious). Still, that's discussion for your other thread.

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I have long and elaborated works on that subject that i just didn't include because they aren't entirely relevant. and i don't want people getting stuck on that then the actual topic. If that ends up happening i'll probably delete those sections.


So which is it - "on the subject" or "not entirely relevant"? This made me think of the proverbial Wallet Girlfriend (she's from Canada!).

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The humans were clearly resettled on other worlds since they were brought from other worlds with Erda being the last. Seeing how humans are composed of several races you would be destroying cultures if you only focused on one race (which was brought up in primordium)


Again, I disagree that humans were "clearly" resettled on other worlds being proof of other home worlds. Remember, they were taken down several notches by the Forerunners as punishment after the Forerunner/Human war. De-evolved. Separated. Previously, they had been a more advanced race with the capability (much like humanity in the 25th/26th century) to expand to far-off worlds. No reason to assume they originate there. Besides, the variety of humanity could be accounted for by the races in the present time real world (all of us being Earth-born). You might be interested to do some research in other cultures who differentiate what we call, for example, "Black" into a dozen or more "races" (based on facial features, height, hair color, etc).

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And it was said in Cryptum that the system the San Shyuum Live in is not their native system, they were relocated their.


You misunderstood me; I'm well aware they were quarantined - but that wasn't immediately after the firing of the rings. I'm referring to the brief, summary snippet you quoted about the firing of the rings. That's a separate point in time.
#7 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 6:36:19 AM(UTC)
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NotTheVacuum;573630 wrote:
Deva Path;571677 wrote:
The humans aren't sure where their homeworld is and "To the best of forerunner knowledge" it is Erda. That was more of a food for thought suggestion than something definitive.


I'm not sure where you got that notion; I'm failing to recall anything that expresses doubt in it being Erde Tyrene aside from Forthencho (which, admittedly, is curious). Still, that's discussion for your other thread.


Both books both races question it, Cryptum it is question by the Forerunners wether or not Erda is the native planet. And even Yprin says it is most likely Erda. The fact that Forthencho says he seen other worlds that would be more likely means more than just he is unsure. It was never stated as a positively known thing from any of the characters in either of the books.
#8 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 7:13:36 AM(UTC)
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Vacuum Non of the homeworld still is relevant to this thread nor am i saying there are other homeworlds. I am saying that Erda might not be the original homeworld but that was honestly just for something to think about. When the humans were re-seeded they were put on other worlds but i am not saying those are their homeworlds but "What if by sheer irony" they were placed on the true birthworld of humanity.

All of that was just something to think about and not the true topic.
#9 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 9:14:49 AM(UTC)
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Deva it is good to see you finally moving from B.net to here for halo goodness :)

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