they tried to base cheese me at the start(carpet/carpet/vortex) i got citadel before 2nd carp hit,summit 5th,1 engie, countered completely, arby goes to their side to sui down the expansions they make, we star Yoink! up! only major losses were because we had someone running cutter who really shouldn't and sliced a 14 star grizzly with the gate(there were 400 hunters that game so yes grizzly was needed), 2x forge brute vs forge cutter arby....if forges dont win in 20 minutes its pretty much game over...