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#1 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 6:18:53 PM(UTC)
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I for one would welcome TU settings in Team Slayer except for one, that's lower Bloom. For me TS would be perfect if it had TU settings but had 100% bloom instead of 85 or whatever it is. That's just my opinion.
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#2 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 6:21:36 PM(UTC)
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I just think in my opinion people should just be happy with what they been given. Don't always want or say,"It should....." Just except what is given.
#3 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 6:21:41 PM(UTC)
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People are against it because 4v4 Team Slayer is the only true Vanilla Playlist left in Reach, I'm for it because I don't like Vanilla after playing TU.
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#4 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 6:44:26 PM(UTC)
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I'm against anything that buffs OP weapons.

But think of it like this. You go to the community pool, you see half the pool is for friends and family to have fun and what not. The other half is lanes for people to swim laps. But they recieved complaints that there wasn't enough lanes, so they added in more. They kept recieving complaints, so they add in more. Now the "non-pro" area is the same size as the swimming lanes and people are starting to complain about the cramp size. Not only that, but there's rumours that this final area will become a another swimming lane, forcing everybody who loves swimming at the pool to go into the kiddy pool (Custom). Not only that, but they also closed down the water slide because all the "pros" claimed it was a waste and doesn't let them show off their skills.
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#8 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 6:46:25 PM(UTC)
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Terranoid;553423 wrote:
I for one would welcome TU settings in Team Slayer except for one, that's lower Bloom. For me TS would be perfect if it had TU settings but had 100% bloom instead of 85 or whatever it is. That's just my opinion.



Though it is a debate that will last through the ages, ANY TU applied to the second most popular playlist, is a good thing, and that I hope we can all agree on.

For the new player just coming into this game, it is what they should be playing with, as we saw in previous Halo MM, and makes for the newer player to learn faster in how to work, a) within a team, and b) play more fluidly.

What I personally have noticed about the playlist, is that the game is faster and far less usage of AL or other AA's, and more cover fire type game play, a lot like SWAT, except with the add-ons, but that's what I see and experience.

There should be, at least I hope there will be, a choice in the voting between the two, and that we'll see more through out all of the playlist, with the TU settings.
#9 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:50:39 PM(UTC)
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How the hell are they supposed to get proper voting stats when they have TU DMRs and then they have Slayer without DMRs? Of course people are gonna chose DMRs, TU or not. Anyway this vote is totally pointless in my opinion, I wish they'd just put TU into TS but keep the Bloom the same.
#10 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:30:11 PM(UTC)
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I played 6 games of TS today and whenver someone had a mic they said to vote for Non TU because they didn't like the TU. 343, please do not implement the TU in TS.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:33:23 PM(UTC)
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Neo Kaiser 0;553497 wrote:
I'm against anything that buffs OP weapons.

But think of it like this. You go to the community pool, you see half the pool is for friends and family to have fun and what not. The other half is lanes for people to swim laps. But they recieved complaints that there wasn't enough lanes, so they added in more. They kept recieving complaints, so they add in more. Now the "non-pro" area is the same size as the swimming lanes and people are starting to complain about the cramp size. Not only that, but there's rumours that this final area will become a another swimming lane, forcing everybody who loves swimming at the pool to go into the kiddy pool (Custom). Not only that, but they also closed down the water slide because all the "pros" claimed it was a waste and doesn't let them show off their skills.


just go play team slayer already and vote for vanilla -.-


#6 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:43:46 PM(UTC)
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Neo Kaiser 0;553497 wrote:
I'm against anything that buffs OP weapons.

But think of it like this. You go to the community pool, you see half the pool is for friends and family to have fun and what not. The other half is lanes for people to swim laps. But they recieved complaints that there wasn't enough lanes, so they added in more. They kept recieving complaints, so they add in more. Now the "non-pro" area is the same size as the swimming lanes and people are starting to complain about the cramp size. Not only that, but there's rumours that this final area will become a another swimming lane, forcing everybody who loves swimming at the pool to go into the kiddy pool (Custom). Not only that, but they also closed down the water slide because all the "pros" claimed it was a waste and doesn't let them show off their skills.


Now lets look at the stats for such a scenario. Lets say we have 100 people who use the pool. 80 of them want more lanes to run lap- 20 want a casual swimming area. The current set of lanes can hold 50 swimmers. That means we have 30 who want more lanes, 20 who don't. I think you see where I'm going with this.

For those who claim I'm making up stats, I'm not. I am in no way claiming these stats represent the actual Reach community. However, the TU implimentation will be based on voting data. If there are more players wanting TU setting, the TU will be sent in.
#38 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:09:08 PM(UTC)
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Terranoid;553423 wrote:
I for one would welcome TU settings in Team Slayer except for one, that's lower Bloom. For me TS would be perfect if it had TU settings but had 100% bloom instead of 85 or whatever it is. That's just my opinion.


wat.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:13:59 PM(UTC)
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I Draddition I;573187 wrote:
Neo Kaiser 0;553497 wrote:
I'm against anything that buffs OP weapons.

But think of it like this. You go to the community pool, you see half the pool is for friends and family to have fun and what not. The other half is lanes for people to swim laps. But they recieved complaints that there wasn't enough lanes, so they added in more. They kept recieving complaints, so they add in more. Now the "non-pro" area is the same size as the swimming lanes and people are starting to complain about the cramp size. Not only that, but there's rumours that this final area will become a another swimming lane, forcing everybody who loves swimming at the pool to go into the kiddy pool (Custom). Not only that, but they also closed down the water slide because all the "pros" claimed it was a waste and doesn't let them show off their skills.


Now lets look at the stats for such a scenario. Lets say we have 100 people who use the pool. 80 of them want more lanes to run lap- 20 want a casual swimming area. The current set of lanes can hold 50 swimmers. That means we have 30 who want more lanes, 20 who don't. I think you see where I'm going with this.

For those who claim I'm making up stats, I'm not. I am in no way claiming these stats represent the actual Reach community. However, the TU implimentation will be based on voting data. If there are more players wanting TU setting, the TU will be sent in.


The vote is an outright and absolute farce. First of all, the vote itself is broken. In the weekly bulletin in which it was announced, they showed a screen shot of a voting screen. Same map, but one option was TU and the other, Vanilla. Should make things nice and clear cut, eh? Wrong. I have not gone into that mess to verify, but plenty of respectable players that post here have stated that they have had TU or Vanilla come up for BOTH options. Any numerical results the voting provides will be wrong.

Secondly. As stated by BS Angel, there will always be a vanilla playlist.
Guess what? Aside from the 'niche' or 'gimmick' playlists where the TU either won't work, or doesn't apply, and Invasion .... Team Slayer is, in fact, the last vanilla playlist Reach has. Go on. Take a moment. Pop Reach in. Look at the playlists. See for yourself. Back with us? Good. (On top of that, why in the hell the TU needs to be on a 5v5 AND a 4v4 playlist is beyond me.)

In the end, all this voting nonsense does, is serve as some -Yoinked!- up dog and pony show. Two weeks from now, when the voting ends, we can expect "Well, the results are in, and Team Slayer gets the TU. But we said Reach will always have a vanilla playlist. So Team Slayer is staying just the way it is, and TU Slayer gets it's own playlist."

So in the end, WHY IN THE BLUE -Yoink!- ARE WE VOTING? 343 just slapped the TU on every other playlist, told us about it in the bulletin, and that was it. Period, end. No voting. No feedback from the community. None of that Yoink!. Just "These playlists are getting it. Have a nice day!"

What we should be voting on, is which of the low population playlists we should boot to make room for TU slayer. Team Objective, maybe? Co-op Campaign? Squad DLC?
#39 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:51:39 PM(UTC)
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It's only inevitable until the entire game gets changed to TU settings.

Sorry fellow "Defenders of Reach". The game we loved is dead.

Time to play some more Battlefield 3.
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#41 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 1:00:47 AM(UTC)
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I am sick of the changes in the playlist in the past few months, What i don't want to see is another playlist added after TU gets voted in, im sure it will be TU Slayer 4v4 and that would be pointless. I love 85% and all i play is squad so the TU on squad was the best ever for me. Team slayer is one of the last vanilla reach playlist that caters to all the "BKs" ....sorry i just rarely see anyone thats positive or good team effort in the playlist..anyway either make it TU or not and do not make a seperate playlist.
#11 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 1:03:10 AM(UTC)
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l Latsu15 l;573172 wrote:
I played 6 games of TS today and whenver someone had a mic they said to vote for Non TU because they didn't like the TU. 343, please do not implement the TU in TS.


That's funny, because whenever I played, I played maybe ONE game of Vanilla, the rest of the time randoms voted for TU.

There's no need for this thread, really. Voting data will speak for itself in due time.
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#12 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 1:49:39 AM(UTC)
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Time Glitch;573384 wrote:
l Latsu15 l;573172 wrote:
I played 6 games of TS today and whenver someone had a mic they said to vote for Non TU because they didn't like the TU. 343, please do not implement the TU in TS.


That's funny, because whenever I played, I played maybe ONE game of Vanilla, the rest of the time randoms voted for TU.

There's no need for this thread, really. Voting data will speak for itself in due time.



From the players I've talked with: it seems that the lower end of the true skill spectrum is seeing unanimous Vanilla votes, and the higher end of the true skill players are seeing unanimous TU votes.
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#40 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 2:05:47 AM(UTC)
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EpicGamerMonkey;573312 wrote:
It's only inevitable until the entire game gets changed to TU settings.

Sorry fellow "Defenders of Reach". The game we loved is dead.

Time to play some more Battlefield 3.



Defending it from who? The Community? Those of us that like TU settings are just Halo fans that were alienated by default settings. In your view we should just stop playing but 343 have put settings in for both parties so we can all play and have fun together.

As a community we should all welcome this, you would have to be pretty narrow minded to believe otherwise.
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#17 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 2:20:57 AM(UTC)
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Matt Grimes FTL;573419 wrote:
Time Glitch;573384 wrote:
l Latsu15 l;573172 wrote:
I played 6 games of TS today and whenver someone had a mic they said to vote for Non TU because they didn't like the TU. 343, please do not implement the TU in TS.


That's funny, because whenever I played, I played maybe ONE game of Vanilla, the rest of the time randoms voted for TU.

There's no need for this thread, really. Voting data will speak for itself in due time.



From the players I've talked with: it seems that the lower end of the true skill spectrum is seeing unanimous Vanilla votes, and the higher end of the true skill players are seeing unanimous TU votes.

Even against terrible players, usually Vanilla gets only 1 vote, very rarely 2.

The only time Vanilla ever wins the vote is when my teammates forget to vote. lol
#35 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 6:40:45 AM(UTC)
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l Latsu15 l;573172 wrote:
I played 6 games of TS today and whenver someone had a mic they said to vote for Non TU because they didn't like the TU. 343, please do not implement the TU in TS.

Oh wow you must be right, we can't implement the TU if a couple people said they don't like it!!
#13 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 7:22:28 AM(UTC)
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Matt Grimes FTL;573419 wrote:
From the players I've talked with: it seems that the lower end of the true skill spectrum is seeing unanimous Vanilla votes, and the higher end of the true skill players are seeing unanimous TU votes.


Without getting into an argument of "who is better" or "who is right"...

I would agree with this statement as a generalization.
#42 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2012 7:33:02 AM(UTC)
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I don't think the voting options are fair because even if you want TU, the TU gametype might end up being elite slayer or slayer pro. The only fair way to settle this is if the voting options were just regular slayer and its TU counterpart.
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